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Details on existing indexes?

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:00 pm
by spinality
I periodically have this situation: A bandmate or I has a PDF or a hardcopy document which we think matches one of the standard iGigBook indexes, because the book titles basically match; but then after activating the index via my.igigbook.com, this turns out to be wrong. Either it turns out to be a totally different book with a similar name, or more typically it's a different edition of the same book with different title/page relationships. Is there any master list that shows more pertinent information about the standard iGigBook indices, such as page range, number of songs, thumbnail of cover, etc.? That would help me decide whether it's worth trying to enable the index.

Today, when checking to see if a given index matches a given fakebook, I can wind up hitting the 'refresh book list' icon more often than I'd like (and probably more then Phi likes).

Thanks if you can point me to any reference data about the indexes that I may have missed. Otherwise, using trial-and-error works to check whether a given index matches what I have -- but if there's a better way I'll be happy to switch to it.

And thanks again for providing the great tool that I use every day on the job.

Re: Details on existing indexes?

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:49 pm
by Phil Smith
99% of the indexes are built from the index contained in the physical book itself. That's right, those pages that you need to use an offset to jump over are what's used to create the index. It's common not to proof a PDF, it's time consuming, but all of the information you need is right there in the PDF if those pages are present and even if the index isn't there, the page numbers should be continuous with none out of order or missing. The only way you can miss this is if you do not review the PDF.

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Re: Details on existing indexes?

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 1:25 am
by spinality
Phil Smith wrote:99% of the indexes are built from the index contained in the physical book itself. That's right, those pages that you need to use an offset to jump over are what's used to create the index. It's common not to proof a PDF, it's time consuming, but all of the information you need is right there in the PDF if those pages are present and even if the index isn't there, the page numbers should be continuous with none out of order or missing. The only way you can miss this is if you do not review the PDF.
Thanks, sorry, I didn't make my question clear.

I do realize the index is built from the book. The problem is, when I have a book in hand, but I'm not sure which index to use, is there any way to determine whether your index was created for that particular book? (Other than linking it and trying it out?)

Here's an example. I have a Hal Leonard "Unlimited Broadway Fakebook" that I initially hoped was going to match either your 4th or 5th edition index. As it turned out, it didn't match either of those, having similar but different titles. It's probably a different edition. I found this out by trying each of your indexes and finding that they didn't line up.

I was hoping that you might have published a directory of indexes that would tell me things like how many tunes, how many pages, etc., so that when I review a given PDF I can decide if it's the right one. Apparently there's no such directory, which is fine. I just wanted to be sure I wasn't overlooking a step I could take in reviewing them, to be sure I am matching things up correctly.

Thanks again.

Re: Details on existing indexes?

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 10:16 am
by Phil Smith
spinality wrote: Thanks, sorry, I didn't make my question clear.

I do realize the index is built from the book. The problem is, when I have a book in hand, but I'm not sure which index to use, is there any way to determine whether your index was created for that particular book? (Other than linking it and trying it out?)

Here's an example. I have a Hal Leonard "Unlimited Broadway Fakebook" that I initially hoped was going to match either your 4th or 5th edition index. As it turned out, it didn't match either of those, having similar but different titles. It's probably a different edition. I found this out by trying each of your indexes and finding that they didn't line up.

I was hoping that you might have published a directory of indexes that would tell me things like how many tunes, how many pages, etc., so that when I review a given PDF I can decide if it's the right one. Apparently there's no such directory, which is fine. I just wanted to be sure I wasn't overlooking a step I could take in reviewing them, to be sure I am matching things up correctly.

Thanks again.
We try to make the title of the index as specific as possible to make it easy to identify which index it is. When there are several versions available we try to notate that in the title of the index. In your example "The Ultimate Broadway Fakebook", there are 5 editions of this book, we have indexes for edition 4 and 5 clearly titled as such. In your example, if you have the physical book, it's going to say what edition it is if it isn't the 1st edition. If it's a PDF and it doesn't have the cover page, it will probably have the page that describes what edition it is. You can also go to Amazon where you can actually look at the index that's in the edition we have an index for and compare that to what you have. Many problems arise from not enough attention to detail, in you example you indicated: "Unlimited Broadway Fakebook". We don't have an index with that title and Hal Leonard doesn't publish a book with that name. Sure it's an honest mistake on your part, but it's all about the details.

Re: Details on existing indexes?

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:31 pm
by spinality
Phil Smith wrote:We try to make the title of the index as specific as possible to make it easy to identify which index it is. When there are several versions available we try to notate that in the title of the index. In your example "The Ultimate Broadway Fakebook", there are 5 editions of this book, we have indexes for edition 4 and 5 clearly titled as such. In your example, if you have the physical book, it's going to say what edition it is if it isn't the 1st edition. If it's a PDF and it doesn't have the cover page, it will probably have the page that describes what edition it is. You can also go to Amazon where you can actually look at the index that's in the edition we have an index for and compare that to what you have. Many problems arise from not enough attention to detail, in you example you indicated: "Unlimited Broadway Fakebook". We don't have an index with that title and Hal Leonard doesn't publish a book with that name. Sure it's an honest mistake on your part, but it's all about the details.
Thanks much for the reply -- and for confirming that the title of an index is the main clue for determining what it covers. I wanted to make sure I wasn't overlooking some other resource you had provided.

In the case where Amazon does not provide a viewable index (e.g. I don't see any for the various "ultimate broadway" editions), and if I have an ambiguous document (e.g. my PDF with the wrong "unlimited" filename and missing cover pages), then my best route is presumably: try the index and see if it works.

Again, this is an edge case. The vast majority of books match up easily and quickly, provided that (as you say) we pay attention to details. Most of my puzzles have been with earlier long-out-of-print books. (But in some cases, after concluding that no index existed, I have been surprised to find a match under an unexpected title.)

Re: Details on existing indexes?

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:05 pm
by Davwein
I am interested in an index for the Ultimate Broadway Fake Book 5th Edition. According to the list of " current indexes" on the Board index page such an index exists and it should be in the content manager with the name: "ulbdwyfb5e". However no such index exists in the content manager in addition to the 4th edition index which has the name "ulbdwyfkbk"

Where can I get the 5th edition index?

It also appears to me that, generally, the list of books in the content manager is not an exact match for the "current list" Is there a more current site for the content manager somewhere that I could link my app to?

Re: Details on existing indexes?

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:56 pm
by spinality
Both editions are visible to me. See below. When you say "content manager" you're talking about my.igigbook.com, correct?
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Re: Details on existing indexes?

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:06 pm
by Phil Smith
Davwein wrote:I am interested in an index for the Ultimate Broadway Fake Book 5th Edition. According to the list of " current indexes" on the Board index page such an index exists and it should be in the content manager with the name: "ulbdwyfb5e". However no such index exists in the content manager in addition to the 4th edition index which has the name "ulbdwyfkbk"

Where can I get the 5th edition index?

It also appears to me that, generally, the list of books in the content manager is not an exact match for the "current list" Is there a more current site for the content manager somewhere that I could link my app to?
You do have "Ultimate Broadway Fake Book 4th Ed." and it should appear in the Content Manager, you do not however have the 5th edition which we will add.

There's only one Content Manager.

Re: Details on existing indexes?

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 10:49 pm
by Davwein
OK Got it, Thanks for responding.

Re: Details on existing indexes?

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:20 pm
by Davwein
I purchased the Hal Leonard Broadway Fake Book on Amazon and created a pdf from the Kindle version. There is a lot of index material that I deleted. Also many tunes have a separate title page, so I began deleting those after copying the title info to the first music page. It looked like the index was going to work (I deleted title pages for the first hundred tunes) but soon it was off by one page, then two. I suppose I can add blank pages if the index goes too far, but not if the index is too short.

Using the Kindle version I is I suppose , unorthodox but I didn't see a pdf version on the Hal Leonard web site.

Where can one purchase the matching pdf for your index?