Book Indexes - Very Frustrating!

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Book Indexes - Very Frustrating!

Post by Scott Summers » Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:41 pm

making a book index is turning into a frustrating cumbersome task. I have scan several of my books that are not included in your index list including HL Real Vocal Book I, HL Real Vocal Book II, HL Real Rock Book, etc. I can't get it to accept what I put into the import section. Very frustrating! Is there any place that we can share indexes with other users? If I ever get these working I would be happy to share them with others.

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Re: Book Indexes - Very Frustrating!

Post by Phil Smith » Tue Aug 20, 2013 5:42 pm

Sorry to hear that you are frustrated but creating your own index requires a certain attention to detail. Data must be in the correct format for your import using the bulk upload to be successful.

There is a means of sharing indexes with others described here in this How To topic "How To Share Your Custom Index With Other Users":

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Re: Book Indexes - Very Frustrating!

Post by Scott Summers » Sat Aug 24, 2013 8:47 pm

Thanks for getting back with me. I would still like to be able to make my own book indexes. I understand that it needs the data in a specific format and I would be happy to put the data into that format but I don't know what the format is. I tried to emulate the one line of data you had in the edit screen but it kept saying I had the data in the wrong order on the first line (of 300). Is there a specific tutorial I can get that would give me the step by step instructions. I appreciate the forum you use for product support but how about a detailed owners manual. For my day job I work for Roland US as a sales rep and part of my line is Sonar. I can't imagine telling people I don't have an owners manual available.
As for sharing indexes with other users, It seams that you can only share with people who you have email addresses for. I don't know who else is out there using the same books so I don't know how to get someone's index or offer mine to someone that I don't already know.

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Re: Book Indexes - Very Frustrating!

Post by Phil Smith » Sun Aug 25, 2013 6:04 pm

Scott Summers wrote:Thanks for getting back with me. I would still like to be able to make my own book indexes. I understand that it needs the data in a specific format and I would be happy to put the data into that format but I don't know what the format is. I tried to emulate the one line of data you had in the edit screen but it kept saying I had the data in the wrong order on the first line (of 300). Is there a specific tutorial I can get that would give me the step by step instructions. I appreciate the forum you use for product support but how about a detailed owners manual. For my day job I work for Roland US as a sales rep and part of my line is Sonar. I can't imagine telling people I don't have an owners manual available.
If you receive an error from Bulk Upload that the data is in the wrong format, it really is in the wrong format. There are no step by step instructions because it's a one step process i.e. submit the data in the correct format.

Here is the format and an example of the format for the Bulk Upload screen:

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"[song title]",[page number],[number of pages],"[composer last name, composer first name]"

Example:

"Tune Up",7,1,"Davis, Miles"
What part of this is confusing to you with respect to the format?

BTW: I own a few Roland products and often things aren't clear i.e. with respect to what's written in the manual and what happens with the actual equipment.

The reason there is a forum is so that you can actually ask a question about something and get it answered in a timely fashion something you often can't do for products you pay hundreds of dollars for.
As for sharing indexes with other users, It seams that you can only share with people who you have email addresses for. I don't know who else is out there using the same books so I don't know how to get someone's index or offer mine to someone that I don't already know.
This is correct, the sharing feature is designed for you to share the index with people that you know that are iGigBook users.

You can post here to say that you have an index available or that you are interested in a particular index.
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Re: Book Indexes - Very Frustrating!

Post by Scott Summers » Tue Aug 27, 2013 1:37 pm

Thank you for the quick reply. I tried again and I am still doing something wrong.
I still get the data is not correct message in the first line.
Do I need to use tabs between data? Do I need the [parenthesis around the title and the author]?

Here is the first few lines that I input but I do have the entire book done like this and ready to import.

“Ac Cent Tchu Ate The Positive“,10,1,”Arlen,Harold”
“After You've Gone“,11,1,“N,A”
“Ain't Misbehavin'“,12,1, “N,A”
“Ain't That A Kick In The Head“,13,1, “N,A”
“All Or Nothing At All“,14,2, “N,A”
“All The Way “,16,1, “N,A”
“Aren't You Glad You're You“,17,1, “N,A”
“As Long As I Live“,18,1, “N,A”
“At Sundown (When Love Is Calling Me Home)“,19,1, “N,A”

Perhaps the issue is the song writer? In many cases there are two or more writers.
Can we input it like

“Ac Cent Tchu Ate The Positive“,10,1,”Harold Arlen,Johnny Mercer”

Also, can we go back and change it after the fact when we find things that are incorrect etc. or if I want to add the song writers in later.

Thanks for you help

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Re: Book Indexes - Very Frustrating!

Post by Phil Smith » Tue Aug 27, 2013 6:48 pm

Look at the quotes in the example I posted and then look at the data you posted. See the difference? You probably used a word processor to create your data when what you need for this type of task is a text editor.
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Re: Book Indexes - Very Frustrating!

Post by Mike Golding » Fri Oct 04, 2013 7:29 am

Scott, I can see your issue results from immutable computer string requirements.

Here are my thoughts ... think of a MIDI file, and how you must correctly input each element to get a proper note response [pitch, length, velocity, note on, note off etc]. The issue here, as Phil has pointed out, has to do with your using a Word Processor.

What's happened falls into two areas: smart inverted commas, and spaces. If the original code is not concerned with spaces between elements, you'd be OK there [I don't know how the original code works---I'm a forum member like yourself], but using smart commas changes the 'letter', if you like ... just as the word processor can automatically change 't' to 'T' at the start of a sentence. Word processors excel at this ... it is their bread and butter. But, as Phil has said, you need a plain text editor that doesn't add spaces, change characters or make things 'smart'.

From what I see, after following suggestions, you should have:

"Ac-Cent-Tchu-Ate The Positive",10,1,"Arlen, Harold"
"After You've Gone",11,1,"N, A"
"Ain't Misbehavin'",12,1,"N, A"
"Ain't That A Kick In The Head",13,1,"N, A"
“All Or Nothing At All",14,2,"N, A"
"All The Way",16,1,"N, A"
"Aren't You Glad You're You“,17,1,"N, A"
"As Long As I Live",18,1,"N, A"
"At Sundown (When Love Is Calling Me Home)",19,1,"N, A"

There shouldn't be an issue with placing two names for the composers [again it depends on the code], but if each 'word' is considered an entry in whatever array the programmer is using, you might have to resort to my second suggestion below:

"Ac-Cent-Tchu-Ate The Positive",10,1,"Arlen Harold, Johnny Mercer" [try this first]
"Ac-Cent-Tchu-Ate The Positive",10,1,"Arlen_Harold, Johnny_Mercer" [this should be allowed, but it depends on the allowed length of the 'word strings']

I've suggested 'N, A' because I don't know whether the code requires two entries separated by a comma and space, or just a comma. Try both to see.

Hope you have already solved the problem ...

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Re: Book Indexes - Very Frustrating!

Post by bigbandsinger » Sat Oct 12, 2013 11:52 am

The igigbook website says I can "Import PDF Table of Contents - iGigBook can import the table of contents of any PDF and automatically create bookmarks for you"

How do I do that? I have made PDFs of all the books I own. I was hoping I could just upload the PDF'd TOC's and it would index the books for me. There are thousands of titles. I don't want to type in every single one. Is that what I have to do?

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Re: Book Indexes - Very Frustrating!

Post by Phil Smith » Sat Oct 12, 2013 12:06 pm

bigbandsinger wrote:The igigbook website says I can "Import PDF Table of Contents - iGigBook can import the table of contents of any PDF and automatically create bookmarks for you"

How do I do that? I have made PDFs of all the books I own. I was hoping I could just upload the PDF'd TOC's and it would index the books for me. There are thousands of titles. I don't want to type in every single one. Is that what I have to do?
How To Create, Import and Manage Bookmarks:

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Re: Book Indexes - Very Frustrating!

Post by bigbandsinger » Sat Oct 12, 2013 2:11 pm

Thanks for that. I'm getting bookmarks and indexes mixed up. I use bookmarks for my scores. I don't want to bookmark every single page of the fake books I have. There are thousands of titles. I'm really trying to create indexes for all the books I have PDF'd. Is there a better way other than typing in each title one by one. Is there software to turn my PDF TOCs into indexes? I've tried to save the PDFs as excel or word files but they always misinterpret. Ie Turn 5's into S's or T's into 1's.

Some of the problem I'm having is i have different editions than what you have listed. Brilliant program when everything is matching up. But on more than one occasion I've PDFd a book just to find out the index you have doesn't match up with what I have. Thus rendering the entire book tough to navigate.

I've bragged about this program to all of my musician friends and 90 students. It's really amazing.

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