Searching both indexes and My Scores

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Searching both indexes and My Scores

Post by spinality » Mon Jul 27, 2015 1:30 am

This has probably been discussed before, but is there any possibility of a unified song search that spans both the indexes and the titles in My Scores? I have a lot of single-sheet versions that I'd just as soon showed up when searching for tunes and when building set lists. Searching in both places is not difficult but it's time I don't always have on the bandstand. As the number of entries in My Scores goes up (I literally have thousands of pieces that I am gradually adding to my iGigBook library) this is becoming more of an issue. In my simple-minded view, I'd ideally like the titles in My Scores to show up as if they were index entries in one additional book called "My Scores" -- essentially an index built on the fly whenever a My Scores refresh is done.

I'm sure it's not as simple as that behind the scenes, but from a usage standpoint that would be a simple consistent mechanism. Well, anyway, just asking.

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Re: Searching both indexes and My Scores

Post by Phil Smith » Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:01 am

Currently the Song Title search will search index entries plus any bookmarks you have created for My Scores items. We could lump all of that together but the question becomes is it really that useful, does it really give you an advantage? I've sat personally with many musicians on their gigs and I gig a lot myself and I've never seen this to be an issue, what I have seen is that having too many results can be an issue. Nonetheless thanks for the feedback, it's something that we think about all of time. As a general note we think about everything that people ask for or suggest, some of the ideas are good and make sense and we implement them especially if they're going to impact a wide range of users.
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Re: Searching both indexes and My Scores

Post by spinality » Mon Jul 27, 2015 2:40 pm

Phil Smith wrote:Currently the Song Title search will search index entries plus any bookmarks you have created for My Scores items. We could lump all of that together but the question becomes is it really that useful...
Ah, I see. I've never personally found a use for the bookmark feature. Nearly all my entries in My Scores are single sheets identified by name, so the PDF name is already the best way to refer to it. So in my case, a combined search option would be highly useful. For those who use My Scores primarily for multi-title collections, I agree that capability would be of little value.

In my ideal world, you would let me distinguish single-title charts from multi-title collections (e.g. by whether there are bookmarks within the document) and then either a) list these docs in different places ("My Scores" for single charts plus a new "My Books" for bookmarked collections) or b) treat these titles differently when searching, and include single-title doc names in song search results. It's really inconvenient to have to keep flipping the "My Scores" button on and off when building setlists.

If there were an easy way to create and administer bookmarks en masse, analogous to creating and uploading an index, then I would probably use that mechanism for references within the unindexed collections that I also have in My Scores. But again, that is less important to me than searching by PDF title; if it's important, then I'll create an index. But because I have 4500+ separate single-title PDFs, I am forced to use a different PDF viewer other than iGigBook to view and manage those charts. But I'd rather do it all with iGigBook.

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Re: Searching both indexes and My Scores

Post by spinality » Wed Aug 26, 2015 3:24 pm

Sorry if I'm being dense, but can you please confirm that, under Android, there is no direct way to add unbookmarked "My Scores" entries to a set list via the Set List Manager, and that therefore my available options to locate and include such items are:
  • Browse "My Scores," open individual scores, and use the "+" icon
  • Add bookmarks to "My Scores" entries, which would be done by opening each individual file, at which point these bookmarks will show up in Set List Manager title searches
On my iPad, my Set List Manager has the "My Scores" slider -- but as I understand it, this feature isn't available on Android.

Thanks if you can point out anything stupid that I'm missing. It's been taking a lot of extra steps to get "My Scores" documents into set lists, and as I've said before I have thousands of unindexed scores to search and reference, on a nightly basis.

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Re: Searching both indexes and My Scores

Post by Phil Smith » Wed Aug 26, 2015 4:26 pm

The top of the Set List Manager has a letter "I" which stands for "Index" meaning all searches are against indexed items. If you press it, it will toggle to "S" which means all searches are against My Scores. In the iOS version the same functionality is there, the UI element however is different.
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Re: Searching both indexes and My Scores

Post by spinality » Wed Aug 26, 2015 5:22 pm

Phil Smith wrote:The top of the Set List Manager has a letter "I" which stands for "Index" meaning all searches are against indexed items. If you press it, it will toggle to "S" which means all searches are against My Scores. In the iOS version the same functionality is there, the UI element however is different.
I am SO glad I asked, thanks. I had often tried clicking that glyph, which looked like an italic I, and nothing ever happened so I concluded it was not a toggle. I now see that it only changes to an "S" AFTER some search term has been typed. This is wonderful, and makes things much easier. Sorry for overlooking this behavior, which I'm sure you have explained elsewhere.

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Re: Searching both indexes and My Scores

Post by cwwjazz » Wed Jun 01, 2016 9:38 am

I initially purchased iGigBook to better understands it pros and cons. After a short learning curve, I can say that it is valuable tool. The indexing tool alone is worth the price of admission. Certainly some work flows in the application could be streamlined and/or optimized, which hopefully will occur over time, but the basic functionality is available in the program and has a feature set that the other programs do not offer.

WRT the subject on unified searching, I also believe it should be a included in the iGigBook feature set. Searching over 60 fake books while on a bandstand using indexed PDFs, but not including the standalone documents negates the efficiency of a unified search. From a software development standpoint, the extra search shouldn't be a deterrent.

Always good to see a response from Phil Smith since he is associated with the app. This time, though, I don't fully understand Phil's response. He was stating (and I'm paraphrasing) that to add custom scores would present the user with too many results. Even if I had annotated and saved 5,000 different tunes and one or two of those was the tune called Autumn Leaves, using a unified search, I might get 4 Autumn Leave versions returned from my indexed fake books, and 1 or 2 custom versions. Searches are used to quickly locate items, reduce the number of options, and, at times, to remind us of items about which we have forgotten. As Engineers, we often optimize those search engines and that optimization process should include the user interface. Please reconsider unified searches. And thanks Phil and team for delivering this app!

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Re: Searching both indexes and My Scores

Post by cwwjazz » Wed Jun 01, 2016 1:56 pm

Forgot to add this part...
The Bookmarks in My Scores PDF's do work. I had added (from other PDF readers) Bookmarks to some of my PDF's and iGigBook does see them, but there is an added step that is relatively painless (unless you have a large number of documents), but must be completed to add the page count for the Bookmark. That step is completed after the PDF is imported using whatever technique works for the user (there are several methods that are all documented nicely elsewhere). Once completed, a search in the Set List Manager will return PDFs that are Bookmarked as well as indexed file results.

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Re: Searching both indexes and My Scores

Post by Davwein » Sat Sep 09, 2017 8:17 pm

I have both the 4th and 5th edition of the Broadway Fakebook. I could get neither of the supplied indexes to work-after getting the offset right the index failed after about 100 pages. I then added bookmarked to the file using the automatic bookmark tool in my desktop pdf utility. These were imported with no problem in the My Scores tab. I went to the trouble of saving each page, in order, to a set list. That let's me drop individual tunes into other set lists in the set list manager.

Curiously it appears that some of these bookmarks show up in a song search, but not all. Is there a way for all bookmarks to be accessible via a search on the Android version?

Then I saw this discussion about the icon at the top of the set list manager changing to "S" with a long press (and a search term entry?). That doesn't seem to work on my Android version. I only get the "I" with the word "index" displaying. Is that an IOS feature only?

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Re: Searching both indexes and My Scores

Post by Davwein » Sat Sep 09, 2017 8:48 pm

Oops, after posting I tried it again with a tap instead of a long press and it did switch to scores. And then I could select an item from the bookmarked pdf. Very snazzy!

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