Alphabetical Title Sort in Song Search Results?

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Alphabetical Title Sort in Song Search Results?

Post by Boardwalk Jazzman » Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:57 pm

iGigBook does not sort book titles alphabetically when it returns song search results. I might have ten versions of the same song from various book titles, but they are listed in a random order. I have 3 different iPads and the song results are listed in a different order on each iPad. It would be useful if song search results were alphabetical by book title, then they would be consistent across different devices.

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Re: Alphabetical Title Sort in Song Search Results?

Post by Phil Smith » Sun Dec 17, 2017 11:08 pm

Boardwalk Jazzman wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:57 pm
iGigBook does not sort book titles alphabetically when it returns song search results. I might have ten versions of the same song from various book titles, but they are listed in a random order. I have 3 different iPads and the song results are listed in a different order on each iPad. It would be useful if song search results were alphabetical by book title, then they would be consistent across different devices.
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Re: Alphabetical Title Sort in Song Search Results?

Post by Boardwalk Jazzman » Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:51 pm

I’m the band leader on a gig. I play sax. I give my bass player one of my iPads, the piano player the 2nd iPad, and I keep the 3rd one. I like to be spontaneous, so there’s no set list, I just call what I feel like playing. We play a couple of familiar tunes, then I call an unfamiliar one. There might be 10 different versions of the same unfamiliar tune. Sometimes with different changes, sometimes in different keys, sometimes even different forms. It can be a disaster if we’re not all reading the same version! So I say, let’s play the version from the Real Book Volume III 2nd Edition. Since the books are not listed alphabetically, my guys have to fumble around looking for the correct version. I can’t say, “it’s the third one down” since the books are listed in a different, random order on each iPad! It can take a minute while they find it. Meanwhile, the audience is growing impatient, waiting for the next tune to begin! When this happens repeatedly on the gig it’s very unprofessional. That’s how fixing this would be very useful to me!

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Re: Alphabetical Title Sort in Song Search Results?

Post by Phil Smith » Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:37 pm

Boardwalk Jazzman wrote:
Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:51 pm
I’m the band leader on a gig. I play sax. I give my bass player one of my iPads, the piano player the 2nd iPad, and I keep the 3rd one. I like to be spontaneous, so there’s no set list, I just call what I feel like playing. We play a couple of familiar tunes, then I call an unfamiliar one. There might be 10 different versions of the same unfamiliar tune. Sometimes with different changes, sometimes in different keys, sometimes even different forms. It can be a disaster if we’re not all reading the same version! So I say, let’s play the version from the Real Book Volume III 2nd Edition. Since the books are not listed alphabetically, my guys have to fumble around looking for the correct version. I can’t say, “it’s the third one down” since the books are listed in a different, random order on each iPad! It can take a minute while they find it. Meanwhile, the audience is growing impatient, waiting for the next tune to begin! When this happens repeatedly on the gig it’s very unprofessional. That’s how fixing this would be very useful to me!
Thanks for the feedback...

It looks like what you need is for the list to be the same on all devices so that you can say "it's the third one down". You should be able to do that now.

A minute to pick one song out of a list of 10 or 15 with the same title? My experience and this is the app that I gig with on a regular basis, takes less than 15 seconds. I get it though, it seems like an eternity.
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Re: Alphabetical Title Sort in Song Search Results?

Post by Boardwalk Jazzman » Fri Dec 22, 2017 11:23 am

I’m not seeing any change with version 5.5.1. Book titles are still in random order on the different iPads.

I agree it usually takes less than 15 secs to pick out the correct version, but it’s still annoying. And if you have more than 20 versions of the same tune, and have to scroll to see them all, it can take longer.

It would be even better if you can fix this so book titles are listed in alphabetical order, then I wouldn’t have to say it’s the third one down, everyone could quickly find the correct version on their own.

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Re: Alphabetical Title Sort in Song Search Results?

Post by Phil Smith » Fri Dec 22, 2017 3:02 pm

Boardwalk Jazzman wrote:
Fri Dec 22, 2017 11:23 am
I’m not seeing any change with version 5.5.1. Book titles are still in random order on the different iPads.

I agree it usually takes less than 15 secs to pick out the correct version, but it’s still annoying. And if you have more than 20 versions of the same tune, and have to scroll to see them all, it can take longer.

It would be even better if you can fix this so book titles are listed in alphabetical order, then I wouldn’t have to say it’s the third one down, everyone could quickly find the correct version on their own.
You won't see a difference if you don't sync each device to pull down the indexes that reflects a more consistent sort order between different devices.
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Re: Alphabetical Title Sort in Song Search Results?

Post by Boardwalk Jazzman » Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:00 pm

Yes, after syncing all three devices with the content manager, book titles are now all listed in the same, random order. That is an improvement. I’d still prefer to see them listed alphabetically. I hope you can fix that in a future update.

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Re: Alphabetical Title Sort in Song Search Results?

Post by spinality » Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:53 pm

May I add another comment on why this would be useful? Apparently, search results are collected by scanning indexes first, and then bookmarks. This can leave big separations between tunes with the same name, especially when searching for a partial name.

When searching for tunes, I generally enter only a fragment of the name, to use the fewest keystrokes, and also to avoid excluding versions that have different punctuation, contractions, etc. For example, suppose I'm looking for S'Wonderful, which has many variant spellings. I'll probably type "wonderf" and get 151 results -- a mixture of diverse spellings of the tune I want, plus many other tunes that happen to have the word 'wonderful'. The one I will actually choose is often from one of my bookmarks, down toward the bottom of the list.

If these results could be placed in alpha order, it would save me a lot of search time. Another approach, which I think I've seen suggested, would be to let me pick certain books and scores to appear first in the result list. In other words, first search my "priority list" of PDFs, then search all the others. Or perhaps let me toggle the search scope: "only priority" or "all sources."

I am sure neither of these would be trivial to implement, but I thought a different use case might be of interest. The problem for me is not the order as such, but rather when a large set of results is involved, in which the same tune spelling will appear at multiple points in the list. Obviously this is more of an issue for people with many books and many scores, like me.

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Re: Alphabetical Title Sort in Song Search Results?

Post by Phil Smith » Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:07 pm

Thanks for the feedback...

The strategy I would use in situations where I'm more interested in results from bookmarks would be to use the search in My Scores first and if a hit isn't found use the Song Title search. These two searches are on the same level, single tap to switch in the same way the switch in the Set List Manager works and I believe using this strategy would save you more time than what you are currently doing.
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Re: Alphabetical Title Sort in Song Search Results?

Post by spinality » Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:09 am

Phil Smith wrote:
Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:07 pm
The strategy I would use in situations where I'm more interested in results from bookmarks would be to use the search in My Scores first and if a hit isn't found use the Song Title search.
Thanks, yes I sometimes do this, but in general I do want to see the whole range of choices at once. I'm not *more* interested in bookmarks, it's just that I often wind up using those. The books I use the most are evenly split between the Book List and the bookmarked scores. I don't immediately know which book I'll wind up using for a given tune, so I usually want to start by seeing the whole enchilada.

I should stress that what I'm doing now works well for me: I'm quite adept at flipping through the results to find the things I want. Some of my bandmates are comparatively hopeless, though, and I wind up running over to them on stage, scrolling through the matches, and finding the one they're looking for.

The main reason I piped up here was just to give a real-world example of where an alpha sort capability might be helpful. In my case, when my search returns more than one page of matches, that's when an alpha sort or some other selection would save some time and confusion. (My basic library comprises over 50+ indexed books and 100+ large bookmarked scores, plus many unbookmarked books and scores, so I often get a lot of matches.)

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