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Separator entries in set lists

Post by spinality » Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:07 pm

Here is a use case I face many times every month. It would simplify things if I could put separator entries in my set lists -- like

"SET 1 6:30"
"SET 2 7:45"
"SPARES"
"HOLIDAY TUNES"

Here's how I would use it. When I assemble a set list for a job, it usually consists of two, three, or four sets, plus lists of spares.

Today, these are each assembled as a long list of tunes. In some cases, I will create a set separator by inserting a random tune, or a blank page, and then using the Set Manager's 'rename' function to label it. But this involves a few steps.

In my ideal world, I'd have an 'Add Separator' button in the Set Manager that would create a blank entry and then immediately prompt me for a name (maybe with a default of "Set #" one higher than the last entered).

This is not a huge issue, and what we already have works well. The Set List Notes function can also partly address this. However, grouping the tunes in a set list would make things clearer on stage; and what I'm doing now (using renamed tunes as separators) can be confusing for non-iGigBook users, when I generating a PDF setlist with random extra pages.

Anyway, for what it's worth.

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Re: Separator entries in set lists

Post by Phil Smith » Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:14 pm

The Gig Set viewer allows you to swipe left or right to access the next or previous set, have you tried using that?
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Re: Separator entries in set lists

Post by spinality » Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:21 am

Phil Smith wrote:
Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:14 pm
The Gig Set viewer allows you to swipe left or right to access the next or previous set, have you tried using that?
Ah, you mean creating a separate set list for each set on a given job. Yes, that would make it easy to move from set to set, but it would require creating a lot more set lists, and it would make distribution more complicated. For each job I'd have to send an email for Set 1, another for Set 2, etc. My bandmates' heads would explode.

So for me having an entire job in one set list is really desirable. I create too many set lists to imagine doubling, tripling, or quadrupling the number I create and distribute. Moreover, changing the order of tunes, moving them between sets, would be a lot more complicated. Today I can just drag them around. So I guess I'll keep putting all a job's tunes together in one set list.

What I do today is of course very workable: I put the first set's tunes on top, e.g. 12-15 tunes, then the next set's immediately after, etc. Sometimes I'll put in a placeholder between groups, to give a visual break, e.g. a song with a name like "More" or "Second Time Around".

But if there were a way to insert a text line within the set list, or a placeholder page, or something like that, a job's structure would be much clearer. (This would also help a lot when emailing a set list to people who won't be viewing it with iGigBook. At the moment, I edit the email tune list to insert "second set" after the first dozen tunes, etc.)

Again, what we have works well...but on nearly every job, as I distribute the set list, I need to explain to people where the actual sets begin and end.

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Re: Separator entries in set lists

Post by Phil Smith » Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:03 pm

Since you're doing all of this prep work, you could easily create a PDF that has instructions vs music. The first item could have instructions of what to do for the 1st set and you would repeat the process for each set, where they would all have an "instructional" entry prior to the list of songs for the set.
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Re: Separator entries in set lists

Post by spinality » Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:17 pm

Phil Smith wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:03 pm
Since you're doing all of this prep work, you could easily create a PDF that has instructions vs music. The first item could have instructions of what to do for the 1st set and you would repeat the process for each set, where they would all have an "instructional" entry prior to the list of songs for the set.
Yes, actually I do this, and that's often the file I use as a separator. However, doing this adds a number of steps, since I do 2-3 set lists every week, sometimes more. In my ideal world, the set list I create in the Set Manager would have all the information needed to play the job.

But again, this is just a wish list item. What we already have works well.

I haven't used paper on a job in years, I'm 100% iGigBook. At one time I also had to use some other PDF readers for special situations, but I've sorted all that out and now have good solutions for leveraging my single platform of choice. Nevertheless, when I see a repetitive task that might be helped with a feature enhancement, I mention it here in the wish list, in case it rings a bell with you or with other users. The steady arrival of helpful new features has made this tool more and more useful over time; and of course, iGigBook was the main reason I bought an iPad in the first place. So thanks again.

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Re: Separator entries in set lists

Post by Phil Smith » Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:14 pm

Thanks for the feedback, we're taking a look at this...
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Re: Separator entries in set lists

Post by Phil Smith » Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:40 pm

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Re: Separator entries in set lists

Post by spinality » Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:11 pm

Phil Smith wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:40 pm
Available in version 5.6
Wow! This sounds like exactly what I was imagining. This will cut down considerably on the need for separate set list docs. Thanks much.

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Re: Separator entries in set lists

Post by spinality » Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:16 pm

This feature has proven to be incredibly useful for me. Hardly a gig goes by where I don’t use it. I’m always dividing tunes up into groups — different sets, tempi, spares, solo features, etc. Thanks.

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Re: Separator entries in set lists

Post by Phil Smith » Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:02 pm

spinality wrote:
Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:16 pm
This feature has proven to be incredibly useful for me. Hardly a gig goes by where I don’t use it. I’m always dividing tunes up into groups — different sets, tempi, spares, solo features, etc. Thanks.
You're welcome. It's something I use a lot as well.
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