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set list 'collection'

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I have just seen an option when creating a new set list to specify it as a 'collection?'. I don't remember encountering this before and can't find any discussion of it here (though I'm sure it is here and I'm overlooking it). When I use this 'collection?' option, the name appears in a different color but I don't see any other behavior change. Can you please point me to the documentation, or describe any additional behavior besides the highlighted name? Thanks.
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spinality wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2024 3:45 pm I have just seen an option when creating a new set list to specify it as a 'collection?'. I don't remember encountering this before and can't find any discussion of it here (though I'm sure it is here and I'm overlooking it). When I use this 'collection?' option, the name appears in a different color but I don't see any other behavior change. Can you please point me to the documentation, or describe any additional behavior besides the highlighted name? Thanks.
There is no documentation on this currently and all this does at the moment is change the color of items that are marked as a "Collection" so that you can distinguish what a set list is and what a "collection" is. We added this because we know some people are using set lists as a collection to draw songs from for a set list. If you have specific ideas of how you would like this to work we'd love to hear about it.
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Phil Smith wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2024 4:25 pm There is no documentation on this currently and all this does at the moment is change the color of items that are marked as a "Collection" so that you can distinguish what a set list is and what a "collection" is. We added this because we know some people are using set lists as a collection to draw songs from for a set list. If you have specific ideas of how you would like this to work we'd love to hear about it.
Ah, I see. That's going to be helpful. I have always wished for a way to distinguish some set lists from others. Since you've asked for input, I'll make a few comments that come to mind.

1) Calling these 'collections' presupposes one particular way of dividing the set lists, but other people might want to use the color distinction to separate e.g. originals vs. covers, solo vs. ensemble, classical vs. jazz, band A vs. band B, performance repertoire vs. practice repertoire, etc. I wonder if it might have wider use if these were simply called "flagged" or "special" since there don't seem to be any special semantics involved other than the color code.

2) For my own use, if there were a few different colors available it would really help in grouping set lists by their function. So instead of just "collections?" with an on/off toggle, a "set list type?" with (say) values of A/B/C/D/E each associated with a different color would be super useful. I currently group scores and set lists via naming conventions (prefix codes) to help put them in a convenient order for reference, but color coding would definitely make this much more intuitive.

3) I'd find it helpful if the set list name (displayed at the top and in the drop-down selectors) would also distinguish these collections/flagged set lists, e.g. "Nov 24 Yacht Club [collection]" to make the classification extra visible.

4) If the goal is to have special 'collection' behavior for larger lists of tunes, a few helpful enhancements might be: a) a notes column where we could add a keyword or two about each entry, e.g. genre/key/tempo/rhythm/vocal; b) ability to select and move multiple entries at once, to assist when reorganizing lists (I know this can be partly addressed using separators, but I often need to move four or five tunes from one section to another and it's tedious dragging them one at a time); c) ability to flag/link multiple tunes as being different versions of the same tune. But some of these would be useful with normal set lists too, so they may not be collection-specific.

I'll give this some more thought, and if I have other ideas I'll follow up.

Thanks much for clarifying. I'm glad I hadn't overlooked the documentation.
-Trevor
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spinality wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2024 4:49 pm 4) If the goal is to have special 'collection' behavior for larger lists of tunes, a few helpful enhancements might be: a) a notes column where we could add a keyword or two about each entry, e.g. genre/key/tempo/rhythm/vocal; b) ability to select and move multiple entries at once, to assist when reorganizing lists (I know this can be partly addressed using separators, but I often need to move four or five tunes from one section to another and it's tedious dragging them one at a time); c) ability to flag/link multiple tunes as being different versions of the same tune. But some of these would be useful with normal set lists too, so they may not be collection-specific.
a) Is this for each entry in the collection or the collection as a whole?

b) Point me to an app or website that does this.

c) What do you mean by this exactly?
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Phil Smith wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2024 6:01 pm
spinality wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2024 4:49 pm ...a) a notes column where we could add a keyword or two about each entry, e.g. genre/key/tempo/rhythm/vocal;
...b) ability to select and move multiple entries at once, to assist when reorganizing lists
...c) ability to flag/link multiple tunes as being different versions of the same tune.
a) Is this for each entry in the collection or the collection as a whole?

b) Point me to an app or website that does this.

c) What do you mean by this exactly?
a) Notes on collection entries. I'm thinking of a column showing info about each entry. For example, I might have a collection of vocal tunes we use with different singers, and I might use such a column to indicate which singer and what key ("Gail, Eb"). Or I might have a collection of band or concert repertoire, maybe 100-300 scores, and I might use such a column to flag titles as "holiday," "latin," "waltz," etc., or "to rehearse," "ok for trio," "drum feature," etc.

b) App that uses multi-selection. The most familiar multi-selection interface is probably in the Finder and File Manager UIs, where we can select using checkboxes or shift-click. Since the iPad/tablet doesn't give us a shift-click, apps with multi-selection, such as photo or song libraries, usually offer an edit mode with checkboxes (e.g. the way we add songs to a music playlist). To use this for bulk movement within iGigBook without changing its UI paradigm too much, perhaps you could let us select multiple tunes, and then cut all those selected items from the set list and paste them into the results pane on the top of the screen. These "cut results" could then be inserted to a new position, using the normal "add results" button. (This would mirror the current work flow of: double-clicking a series of tunes in a set list, to add them to the results pane; deleting these from the set list; picking a new location; using "add results.")

c) Multiple tunes being different versions. In my collections today, I often have several different arrangements/transcriptions/sources of a particular tune. I can imagine a collection with sub-entries, i.e. a "main" entry for the title When Lights Are Low, with subentries for e.g. "original bridge," "Miles bridge," "solo arrangement," "big band arrangement," "as contrabass feature," etc. Or perhaps it would be possible (but much more challenging) to support a tree structure within collections using subdirectories, e.g.

Band collection
-- Band ABC
---- Vocals
------ Tune 1
------ Tune 2
---- Instrumentals
------ Tune 3
------ Tune 4
---- Holiday
------ Tune 5
------ Tune 6
-- Band XYZ

I realize these would involve significant UI changes, so I'm only mentioning these ideas since you asked for input. In the Set View, we have a fair amount of blank screen real estate that might accommodate another column or additional detail. I can picture a small "properties panel" in the Set Manager, showing the details associated with the selected tune from the set list (title, color of title, source, notes, key, composer, # pages, etc.).

But again, I understand any of these would involve big changes. Just being able to use a highlight color for "collection" lists is huge. Adding a couple of other colors could be very helpful. (It might also be helpful if we could flip a set list's "collection?" flag on or off. I can picture using an existing list as the start of a collection, or taking a collection and turning it into a set list.)

I'll look forward to seeing where you take this new feature.
-Trevor
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