I have a custom book that is going to get updated about once a week. This is the entire book for a group I am playing with and there are often updates to existing charts and addition of new charts. Rehearsals almost always result in some updates. Occasionally a chart is removed. There are about 400 tunes and over 700 pages. I use an Excel spreadsheet to generate an inventory of songs, and generate the iGigBook index. I copy and page the index into the web page.
I have uploaded the initial PDF and index and everything works.
Suppose I have a three-page chart in the middle of the book. It gets revised to a one-page chart. It seems to me that I have to load a new version of this book into my tablet. Then I have to revise the index to get the paging right. The only way I can find to do this is to delete all the songs, and then start clean with a new file and new index.
Am I missing something or is this the only/best way to do this?
Best practices for updating custom books?
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Re: Best practices for updating custom books?
The app isn't designed for this type of constant massaging of a PDF as in constantly moving pages around, adding, deleting in the middle, etc. Most of the users aren't interested in constantly modifying a PDF. Having said that, here's what I would be doing if I was in your position.
I would be looking for ways to work efficiently. If I'm using a system that maps pages to song titles (iGigBook) it is no longer required for songs to be in a particular order in a PDF. I now have random access to these songs and that's the way I'm going to use that PDF. I can easily add songs to the PDF by adding them to the end. I then add a entry to the existing index with the page number for the song, sync and I'm done. There's no need for me to remove pages from the PDF, that's the old paper model and it's inefficient. Once I create an index and upload it using Bulk Upload all I need to do is use the Song Tile option in the Content Manager to add or delete songs. I don't have a need to do anything to the PDF unless I'm replacing a page as in, a better readable copy.
I would be looking for ways to work efficiently. If I'm using a system that maps pages to song titles (iGigBook) it is no longer required for songs to be in a particular order in a PDF. I now have random access to these songs and that's the way I'm going to use that PDF. I can easily add songs to the PDF by adding them to the end. I then add a entry to the existing index with the page number for the song, sync and I'm done. There's no need for me to remove pages from the PDF, that's the old paper model and it's inefficient. Once I create an index and upload it using Bulk Upload all I need to do is use the Song Tile option in the Content Manager to add or delete songs. I don't have a need to do anything to the PDF unless I'm replacing a page as in, a better readable copy.
In this scenario, I would add the revised one page chart to the end of the PDF and use the content manager to add an additional song entry to the index for this 1 page version or modify the existing song entry to now point to this new page on the end. Once you delete a page from a PDF that you've created an index for you would need to modify every song entry that has a page number that comes after the one you deleted.Suppose I have a three-page chart in the middle of the book. It gets revised to a one-page chart. It seems to me that I have to load a new version of this book into my tablet. Then I have to revise the index to get the paging right. The only way I can find to do this is to delete all the songs, and then start clean with a new file and new index.
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Re: Best practices for updating custom books?
This seems to be the key here. It did not occur to me that the order of the songs in the physical PDF is irrelevant. I'm only going to use the file for iGigBook so the order doesn't matter. If I need to delete a page I can just insert a blank page to replace it and remove the index entry, with no impact on page numbering.I can easily add songs to the PDF by adding them to the end.
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Re: Best practices for updating custom books?
I would view the PDF as just a repository of songs and the index as an address book, with each index entry pointing to a particular song. I would view the set list as the roster for a particular gig or performance. There can be various rosters aka set lists with songs from the "repository" arranged in the order you need them to perform or combine together as a single PDF to send someone who is still using paper. When you look at it this way, your PDF gets larger due to songs being added to it. Removing songs from the PDF is usually not a good idea because you never know when you might want to use that song.Jkseigle wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 12:38 pmThis seems to be the key here. It did not occur to me that the order of the songs in the physical PDF is irrelevant. I'm only going to use the file for iGigBook so the order doesn't matter. If I need to delete a page I can just insert a blank page to replace it and remove the index entry, with no impact on page numbering.I can easily add songs to the PDF by adding them to the end.
Thanks for your help!
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Re: Best practices for updating custom books?
Is there a glitch / bug in the current version? I have some older books (I created) that are reverting back to a previous PDF and I'm missing tunes I've added. Therefore, I have to upload my latest copy of that book. I also lose any notes made in the book.... I've noticed that most of the older books I created and haven't touched (updated) in years are now missing pages. Typically at the end of the PDF (which leads me to believe that an older / previous (deleted) version is now in place.. Imagine setting up a set list, checking to make sure all PDF's are available only to page turn (on the gig) and get a blank page. It's still indexed properly, but now the sheets are gone.
My process for adding or updating existing books is to email the PDF book to myself and upload the book into my scores where it (used to) rename the file by adding a number (i.e, my_book_224-2.pdf). I would then delete the original and rename the new file to match the index... Now it automatically replaces it.. very strange..
I've been a loyal user since 2011 and never had this issue before. AND, it has already cost me a gig.
Anyone else having the same issue?? I've contacted Help, but no help is offered.. Very frustrating
I've now found 5 of my books that are compromised. What is happening?
My process for adding or updating existing books is to email the PDF book to myself and upload the book into my scores where it (used to) rename the file by adding a number (i.e, my_book_224-2.pdf). I would then delete the original and rename the new file to match the index... Now it automatically replaces it.. very strange..
I've been a loyal user since 2011 and never had this issue before. AND, it has already cost me a gig.
Anyone else having the same issue?? I've contacted Help, but no help is offered.. Very frustrating
I've now found 5 of my books that are compromised. What is happening?
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Re: Best practices for updating custom books?
Where would iGigBook get these older versions from? We don't have a repository of PDF files stored anywhere. We don't manage different versions of a PDF nor do we automatically replace them with different versions.lefty bass wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 8:00 pm Is there a glitch / bug in the current version? I have some older books (I created) that are reverting back to a previous PDF and I'm missing tunes I've added. Therefore, I have to upload my latest copy of that book. I also lose any notes made in the book.... I've noticed that most of the older books I created and haven't touched (updated) in years are now missing pages. Typically at the end of the PDF (which leads me to believe that an older / previous (deleted) version is now in place.. Imagine setting up a set list, checking to make sure all PDF's are available only to page turn (on the gig) and get a blank page. It's still indexed properly, but now the sheets are gone.
We never rename files with a -1, -2, etc, that's something that iOS does on its own. If you're deleting files using My Scores, the PDF is deleted along with any annotations, drawings, etc, associated with that PDF. For what you're trying to do, you would be better off using the Files App to rename your PDF files it you're replacing a PDF that has notes and drawings associated with it.My process for adding or updating existing books is to email the PDF book to myself and upload the book into my scores where it (used to) rename the file by adding a number (i.e, my_book_224-2.pdf). I would then delete the original and rename the new file to match the index... Now it automatically replaces it.. very strange..
We're locking this down, you can open up a new topic because your issue has nothing to do with this topic.I've been a loyal user since 2011 and never had this issue before. AND, it has already cost me a gig.
Anyone else having the same issue?? I've contacted Help, but no help is offered.. Very frustrating
I've now found 5 of my books that are compromised. What is happening?
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